libxnvctrl - promotes non-free NVIDIA driver
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Packages libxnvctrl-dev and libxnvctrl are only useful for nonfree nvidia driver

mladen created this task.May 8 2017, 2:18 PM
mladen edited the task description. (Show Details)May 12 2017, 10:07 PM

@mak while maybe it could be patched through hoops of things (and maybe ends up being useful one day for free nvidia driver), now, just drop those packages and close the bug.

mak added a comment.EditedMay 22 2017, 10:43 PM

Broken Depends:

conky: conky-all
mate-sensors-applet: mate-sensors-applet-nvidia
psensor: psensor

Broken Build-Depends:

conky: libxnvctrl-dev |nvidia-settings
mate-sensors-applet: libxnvctrl-dev
psensor: libxnvctrl-dev |nvidia-settings
qtwebengine-opensource-src: libxnvctrl-dev

--> We can't remove this just yet.

woah, so it needs more work on it...

mak added a comment.May 22 2017, 10:45 PM

Also, I don't get why the thing is actually a "freedom issue" if it's actually free software (sure, it only becomes really useful if one uses non-free drivers, but we don't ship those. Removing this thing will cause some pain though, mainly through psensor and qtwebengine)

Yeah, I have similar comments for smtube issue. As this is also indeed Free software and sadly it is not usable without nonfree nvidia, we will postpone the work on it because of obvious dependency havoc it would cause. It also doesn't break FSF rules afaik.

mak lowered the priority of this task from "95" to "Freedom Issue".Aug 19 2017, 5:10 AM
jonas.smedegaard changed the title from "[FREEDOM ISSUE] libxnvctrl" to "[FREEDOM ISSUE] libxnvctrl - promotes non-free NVIDIA driver".Oct 19 2017, 5:03 PM
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jonas.smedegaard changed the title from "[FREEDOM ISSUE] libxnvctrl - promotes non-free NVIDIA driver" to "libxnvctrl - promotes non-free NVIDIA driver".Oct 24 2017, 3:28 PM
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@mak please block libxnvctrl when pending qtwebengine-opensource-src is approved.

mak closed this task as "Resolved".Nov 5 2017, 1:11 AM
Will remove the following packages from landing:

libxnvctrl-dev |   375.66-3 | amd64
libxnvctrl0 |   375.66-3 | amd64
nvidia-settings |   375.66-3 | source

Maintainer: Debian NVIDIA Maintainers <>
Will also send CCs to: <<redacted>>

------------------- Reason -------------------
Freedom issue

Checking reverse dependencies...
No dependency problem found.

Going to remove the packages now.
Deleting... done.
$ lk-admin synchrotron blacklist-add nvidia-settings 'References non-free NVIDIA driver'
Package blacklisted.
jonas.smedegaard changed the task status from "Resolved" to "Invalid".Dec 18 2018, 10:31 PM

I have come to same conclusion as you, @mak, that this is no Freedom issue, and too painful without any real gain to try solve.

My previous reasoning was that libxnvctrl encourages the use of non-free software indirectly by encouraging hte use of hardware (GPUs) that work only with non-free software. But that is slightly (yet semantic importantly) wrong: a library enables use but does not encourage said use (this is the equivalent to the debate in Debian over libraries recommending executables they enable access to - e.g. gnupg).

Bug was closed and stay closed. Changing semantics for closing to be because it is invalid (not because all instances of this issue is addressed).

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